Windmills on Ice Mountain - Gamesa Wind Turbines

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Bill Latchford wrote:Can someone point me to a web site or another resource I can use to research the migratory path over Ice Mountain? Everything I have seen out here so far shows nothing about a major path that is in line with the proposed wind plant. If there is none that is major then could that stop being used in opposition to the wind plant? If we want to be fair to all whom are searching for information about this particular wind plant, then we should provide information that is pertinent to just this wind plant. Just food for thought that all whom no nothing and would like to be informed could benefit from. Thanks in advance for your help. :D
Try this one Bill... if it's not the one let me know I may have others.
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My2Cents wrote: Try this one Bill... if it's not the one let me know I may have others.
http://www.aviary.org/csrv/eaglePA.php
Thanks My2Cents I will check it out now...Take Care :D
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My2Cents wrote: In that letter that Gamesa sent out to the public they state.... "Even with the wind farm in place, Tyrone Borough would maintain its right to use the property as it sees fit: for hunting, farming, conservation, timber removal, oil and gas extraction, watershed management and public water supply protection. Land use remains a community decision."
Basically, they are telling us, we bought the farm, here's how you can spend your money, we are outa' here, if/when anything goes wrong.... it's your baby now !!!
That letter was a bucket of swill. If this windfarm goes in, it will not matter who is running it, nobody will be allowed anywhere near it for liability reasons. Do you think that they would let me in to count dead birds and bats? Hardly. They will not even allow peer review of their post construction mortality studies. The numbers will never be made public.
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Bill Latchford wrote:
My2Cents wrote: Try this one Bill... if it's not the one let me know I may have others.
http://www.aviary.org/csrv/eaglePA.php
Thanks My2Cents I will check it out now...Take Care :D
#41 came right thru here not too long ago... sometimes you have to wait a little while for the track to come up after clicking on each bird and bringing up the map. I think this is updated on a weekly basis plus you can look back on the history of each path also.
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My2Cents wrote:
Bill Latchford wrote:
My2Cents wrote: Try this one Bill... if it's not the one let me know I may have others.
http://www.aviary.org/csrv/eaglePA.php
Thanks My2Cents I will check it out now...Take Care :D
#41 came right thru here not too long ago... sometimes you have to wait a little while for the track to come up after clicking on each bird and bringing up the map. I think this is updated on a weekly basis plus you can look back on the history of each path also.
That is so cool...

http://www.aviary.org/csrv/track_map.ph ... n=fal&yr=7

all goldens...

http://www.aviary.org/csrv/staticGolden.php

all balds...

http://www.aviary.org/csrv/staticBald.php
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salaman wrote:
My2Cents wrote: In that letter that Gamesa sent out to the public they state.... "Even with the wind farm in place, Tyrone Borough would maintain its right to use the property as it sees fit: for hunting, farming, conservation, timber removal, oil and gas extraction, watershed management and public water supply protection. Land use remains a community decision."
Basically, they are telling us, we bought the farm, here's how you can spend your money, we are outa' here, if/when anything goes wrong.... it's your baby now !!!
That letter was a bucket of swill. If this windfarm goes in, it will not matter who is running it, nobody will be allowed anywhere near it for liability reasons. Do you think that they would let me in to count dead birds and bats? Hardly. They will not even allow peer review of their post construction mortality studies. The numbers will never be made public.
Just as no-it-all said: "went up to Blue Knob and stood by a few on a windy day(B4 security asked me to leave)"

In addition, the agreement between the Pennsylvania Game Commission and windplant developers requires that the results of these wildlife studies not be made public. According to a story in the Harrisburg Patriot-News:

Wildlife specialists suggest ways to improve agreement

February 28, 2007 by David DeKok in The Patriot News

Two bird specialists familiar with the Pennsylvania Game Commission efforts to protect wildlife from wind turbines offered cautious support, although each found things they didn’t like. A bat specialist was more critical.

Keith Bildstein, director of conservation science at the Hawk Mountain Sanctuary in Berks County, likes the draft agreement that would establish rules wind-energy developers would voluntarily follow. But he would prefer that the Game Commission impose an immediate moratorium on wind farms being built on high-risk sites (the Pennsylvania Game Commission has designated the Allegheny Front as a HIGH RISK SITE - my note), meaning places where wind turbines would be most dangerous to birds and bats. “We need to begin development of wind power at low-risk areas,” Bildstein said. “Do pre-construction and post-construction monitoring. Find the problems.”

He said building at intermediate-risk sites shouldn’t be allowed until post-construction monitoring is done at low-risk sites.
Surprisingly little is known about the big picture of bird migration through Pennsylvania, and most of the existing knowledge has to do with birds of prey, Bildstein said. He praised the commission for devoting research dollars to studying the migration of golden eagles.

“There will be first-class individuals involved,” he said. “We should learn a lot and avoid an environmental train wreck.”
Scott Weidensaul has written several books on birds and is active in state bird organizations such as Pennsylvania Audubon. He saluted the Game Commission for taking on “this difficult and contentious” issue.
“I think the draft guidelines are a good first step, since they bring the question of wildlife impacts to the table statewide in a way that’s not been considered before,” he said.
Weidensaul said the guidelines appear to be on the right track when it comes to migratory raptors and bats, but the lack of any requirement for pre-construction nocturnal songbird migration monitoring is disappointing. He said pre-construction monitoring ought to be a true site suitability study and not solely an information-gathering exercise.
“To me, the real question will be what happens if wind developers refused to sign on to the voluntary agreement, which unfortunately appears likely in at least some cases,” he said. “The commission has suggested it would then take legal action if there are bird or bat kills, and I’ll be very interested to see if they are able to follow up on that threat.”

William A. Capouillez, director of the Bureau of Wildlife Habitat Management, said the Game Commission plans to announce publicly which wind-energy developers sign agreements.
Michael R. Gannon, a professor of biology and bat specialist on the faculty of Penn State University’s Altoona campus, said there does not appear to be a requirement that the bat surveys be impartial. He worries that developers will hire hack consultants who can be counted on to turn in favorable results.
“As I have seen in other sites in Pennsylvania, Virginia and West Virginia, developers hire the same individuals again and again who submit virtually the same documents on how wind development at any of the areas in question will not have any effect on bat populations,” Gannon said.
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HIGH RISK SITES FOR INDUSTRIAL WINDFARM DEVELOPMENT DESIGNATED BY THE PENNSYLVANIA GAME COMMISSION


The Allegheny Front in Centre, Clearfield, Blair, and Bedford Counties

Bald Eagle and Brush Mountains in Centre, Huntingdon, and Blair Counties

Dunning/Evitts/Loop/Lock/ Canoe Mountains in Blair and Bedford Counties

Kittatinny/Blue Mountain in Monroe, Northampton, Carbon, Lehigh, Berks, Schuylkill, Perry, Franklin, and Cumberland Counties

Tuscarora/Cove Mountain in Huntingdon, Juniata, Perry, Fulton, and Franklin Counties

Lower Susquehanna River in York, Lancaster, Dauphin, and Perry Counties

Tussey Mountain in Centre, Huntingdon, Bedford, and Blair Counties

Second Mountain in Lebanon, Schuylkill, and Carbon Counties

Blacklog Mountain in Huntingdon, Mifflin, Juniata, and Fulton Counties

Jack’s Mountain in Huntingdon County

Upper Delaware River in Wayne, Pike, and Monroe Counties

Lake Erie Shore in Erie County

Berry Mountain in Dauphin and Perry Counties

Brush Mountain in Centre County

Conneaut/Geneva Marsh in Crawford County

Nittany Mountain in Centre County

Pymatuning/Hartstown Complex in Crawford and Mercer Counties

Mahantango and Buffalo Mountains in Dauphin, Schuylkill, and Perry Counties
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Putting a wind farm in, THEN, monitoring the results afterwards is a bunch of crap !!! It will be too late !!! We can't afford to let them do that ???
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Oh come on Rick, tell us now, please, please.... we can't wait 'til January 4th... please, please, tell us now... please, please... what's the "big announcement ??" Come on, you can tell us, we won't tell anybody. :lol:
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My2Cents wrote:Oh come on Rick, tell us now, please, please.... we can't wait 'til January 4th... please, please, tell us now... please, please... what's the "big announcement ??" Come on, you can tell us, we won't tell anybody. :lol:
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Borough Councilman Latchford's current views regarding the proposed windplant on Ice Mountain are at http://tyronepa.com/news/article.php?id=10757
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Bill... I don't pm anyone without permission... May I ?
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Rick wrote:
My2Cents wrote:Oh come on Rick, tell us now, please, please.... we can't wait 'til January 4th... please, please, tell us now... please, please... what's the "big announcement ??" Come on, you can tell us, we won't tell anybody. :lol:
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:ahh: come on, pleeeeaaaazzzzzze :P
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My2Cents wrote:Oh come on Rick, tell us now, please, please.... we can't wait 'til January 4th... please, please, tell us now... please, please... what's the "big announcement ??" Come on, you can tell us, we won't tell anybody. :lol:

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My2Cents wrote:
Bill Latchford wrote:
My2Cents wrote: Try this one Bill... if it's not the one let me know I may have others.
http://www.aviary.org/csrv/eaglePA.php
Thanks My2Cents I will check it out now...Take Care :D
#41 came right thru here not too long ago... sometimes you have to wait a little while for the track to come up after clicking on each bird and bringing up the map. I think this is updated on a weekly basis plus you can look back on the history of each path also.
WoW that certainly is a informational site. thanks so much for finding it for me My2Cents :D
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