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”The current rush for large scale onshore wind developments, connected by a hugely centralized grid system shows a poverty of imagination and thinking rooted in the early 20th Century. If attention continues to be focused on increasing renewable energy targets, without any requirement to demonstrate what each development will achieve in greenhouse gas emissions reductions (including all aspects of the generation and transmission), we face a possible worst case scenario, where we achieve renewable energy targets through inappropriate developments and at great cost to important environments — only to discover that our greenhouse gas emissions are up, along with our energy consumption, and our energy supply is not secure.”

The John Muir Trust <<http://www.jmt.org/what-we-think.asp>>.

Below is more information pertaining to utility-scale wind energy. Some folks on this listserve may be interested in this and wind energy's potential and already documented impacts on raptors.

Sincerely,

Donald S. Heintzelman
Ornithologist and Author
Zionsville, PA
USA
donsh@enter.net

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From: John Droz jr.
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: Recent Energy News-7/25/09


Friends:


This is the latest issue of my informal, free collection of recent electrical energy-related developments. Since we are daily inundated with material coming out on this topic, I am trying to present a digest summary of the most pertinent applicable information. My bias is for articles that are: scientific, independent, informative, constructive, and/or well-written. (I would STRONGLY recommend that you SAVE these emails, as you might need links to some good articles in the future.)


My message is: Scientifically Sound Solutions not Palliative Political Pablum
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My next community energy presentation is Wed August 12th, 7 PM in Waterville, NY. It is open to the public. Email Bill Lemery for info “bjlemery@msn.com”.
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New York State is developing a new “Energy Plan,” and will shortly have public hearings about it. This is the latest version of their plan <<http://tinyurl.com/nv5mbt>>.


Here is the draft version of my comments about it, which should be of interest to anyone dealing with wind power mania. If you have any suggestions for improvements, please email me. <<http://www.northnet.org/brvmug/WindPower/NYSEnergyPlanComments.pdf>>.
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The excellent wind power case study that I cited a few issues ago has been updated, and has a new url <<http://tinyurl.com/kv6s97>>.


The gist of this paper is to respond to a wind power advocate’s publicized (and unsupported) assertion that wind power displaces conventional sources on a 1:1 basis. This paper examines the assumptions behind that claim, and shows why they are not accurate. A followup is being worked on.
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A superior editorial about the Waxman-Markey bill by the publisher of Forbes <<http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0803/opinions-rich-karlgaard-digital-rules.html>>.
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Speaking of that, here is an interesting town meeting held by one of the mislead House Republican members that voted for the Cap & Trade bill. It is interesting to see the citizens comments: <<http://tinyurl.com/mgwy3r>>.
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A fine article: “Don’t Blow Hundreds of Billions on Wind Power” <<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6717079.ece>>.
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“Forests of Concrete and Steel” is a damning indictment of wind energy: <<http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_212246492.shtml?rssfeed>>.
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An excellent NY newspaper editorial against how poorly wind power projects are being handled. If only ALL NY newspapers took this position! <<http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20090725/OPINION01/307259966/-1/OPINION>>.
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A report on how renewable energy costs aren’t working out quite as well as the proponents would like you to believe. <<http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/07/12/0712greenchoice.html>>.
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Clean Energy’s Dirty Little Secret discusses one of the many unintended (and problematic) consequences of this blind progression to everything green: <<http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/hybrid-cars-minerals>>
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A fine letter here, detailing an expert’s conclusions on several important noise related issues with wind turbines <<http://www.steubencourier.com/news/2009/0719/opinion_letter/015.html>>
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A revealing page of information by the EIA about energy subsidies <<http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/energy_in_brief/energy_subsidies.cfm>>.
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This appeared last year and I missed it. The article discusses one of my key themes: a major solution not being promoted in the electrical sector is to improve on delivered efficiency <<http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/recycled-steam>>.
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This article by Bjorn Lomborg discusses renewable energy in a fairly reasonable way <<http://www.esquire.com/features/new-solutions-to-global-warming-0809>>. His comments put the CO2 paranoia into a good perspective, e.g.
“There are plenty of other major global problems that have reasonably cheap solutions. One billion people lack clean drinking water. Two billion lack sanitation. Three billion lack basic micronutrients. One quarter of all deaths each year are caused by infectious diseases that we could easily combat.”
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I have been aware of this for awhile and due to information processing overload I have been remiss in recommending that you look at the good Energy Plan site <<http://www.energyplanusa.com/>>.
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The Putting Some Balance To It Department —


Since wind energy is the b*st*rd offspring of Global Warming, I am in the process of considerably expanding my position paper on the Global Warming hypothesis. It is intended to be an overview for citizens. See it here <<http://www.northnet.org/brvmug/WindPower/GlobalWarmingPosition2.pdf>>. If you have suggestions for improvements, please send them to me.


“Blunt warnings about greens under the bed” <<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6725471.ece>>.


Read “Climate Change Reconsidered: The 2009 Report of the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC)” <<http://www.nipccreport.org/index.html>>.


Is the Global Warming debate over? <<http://masterresource.org/?p=3847#more-3847>>.


Another insightful piece by George Will <<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072202415.html>>.


“Climate Money: Massive Climate Funding Exposed. The Climate Industry: $79 Billion so far - Trillions to come” <<http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/23/massive-climate-funding-exposed/>>.


Author Nova states that "The most telling point is that after spending $30 billion on pure science research ($79 billion in total) no one is able to point to a single piece of empirical evidence that man-made carbon dioxide has a significant effect on the global climate."


These Science-based sites have some very worthwhile climate information <<http://www.co2science.org/>> and <<http://www.friendsofscience.org>>.


regards,


john droz,
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Hi folks,

The greatly anticipated book on Wind Turbine Syndrome should be available in October. Note that Dr. Pierpont recommends that wind turbines should be at least 2 km (1.242 miles) from people’s homes.



http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 66254.html


Noise and vibration coming from large turbines are behind an increase in heart disease, migraine, panic attacks and other health problems, according to research by an American doctor

By Margareta Pagano

Living too close to wind turbines can cause heart disease, tinnitus, vertigo, panic attacks, migraines and sleep deprivation, according to groundbreaking research to be published later this year by an American doctor.

Dr Nina Pierpont, a leading New York paediatrician, has been studying the symptoms displayed by people living near wind turbines in the US, the UK, Italy, Ireland and Canada for more than five years. Her findings have led her to confirm what she has identified as a new health risk, wind turbine syndrome (WTS). This is the disruption or abnormal stimulation of the inner ear's vestibular system by turbine infrasound and low-frequency noise, the most distinctive feature of which is a group of symptoms which she calls visceral vibratory vestibular disturbance, or VVVD. They cause problems ranging from internal pulsation, quivering, nervousness, fear, a compulsion to flee, chest tightness and tachycardia – increased heart rate. Turbine noise can also trigger nightmares and other disorders in children as well as harm cognitive development in the young, she claims. However, Dr Pierpont also makes it clear that not all people living close to turbines are susceptible.

Until now, the Government and the wind companies have denied any health risks associated with the powerful noises and vibrations emitted by wind turbines. Acoustic engineers working for the wind energy companies and the Government say that aerodynamic noise produced by turbines pose no risk to health, a view endorsed recently by acousticians at Salford University. They have argued that earlier claims by Dr Pierpont are "imaginary" and are likely to argue that her latest findings are based on a sample too small to be authoritative.

At the heart of Dr Pierpont's findings is that humans are affected by low-frequency noise and vibrations from wind turbines through their ear bones, rather like fish and other amphibians. That humans have the same sensitivity as fish is based on new discoveries made by scientists at Manchester University and New South Wales last year. This, she claims, overturns the medical orthodoxy of the past 70 years on which acousticians working for wind farms are using to base their noise measurements. "It has been gospel among acousticians for years that if a person can't hear a sound, it's too weak for it to be detected or registered by any other part of the body," she said. "But this is no longer true. Humans can hear through the bones. This is amazing. It would be heretical if it hadn't been shown in a well-conducted experiment."

In the UK, Dr Christopher Hanning, founder of the British Sleep Society, who has also backed her research, said: "Dr Pierpont's detailed recording of the harm caused by wind turbine noise will lay firm foundations for future research. It should be required reading for all planners considering wind farms. Like so many earlier medical pioneers exposing the weaknesses of current orthodoxy, Dr Pierpont has been subject to much denigration and criticism and ... it is tribute to her strength of character and conviction that this important book is going to reach publication."

Dr Pierpont's thesis, which is to be published in October by K-Selected Books, has been peer reviewed and includes an endorsement from Professor Lord May, former chief scientific adviser to the UK government. Lord May describes her research as "impressive, interesting and important".

Her new material about the impact of turbine noise on health will be of concern to the Government given its plans for about 4,000 new wind turbines across the country. Ed Miliband, the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change, has made wind power a central part of his new green policy to encourage renewable energy sources. Another 3,000 are planned off-shore.
Drawing on the early work of Dr Amanda Harry, a British GP in Portsmouth who had been alerted by her patients to the potential health risk, Dr Pierpont gathered together 10 further families from around the world who were living near large wind turbines, giving her a cluster of 38 people, from infants to age 75, to explore the pathophysiology of WTS for the case series. Eight of the 10 families she analysed for the study have now moved away from their homes.

In a rare interview, Dr Pierpont, a fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics, told The Independent on Sunday: "There is no doubt that my clinical research shows that the infrasonic to ultrasonic noise and vibrations emitted by wind turbines cause the symptoms which I am calling wind turbine syndrome. There are about 12 different health problems associated with WTS and these range from tachycardia, sleep disturbance, headaches, tinnitus, nausea, visual blurring, panic attacks with sensations of internal quivering to more general irritability.

"The wind industry will try to discredit me and disparage me, but I can cope with that. This is not unlike the tobacco industry dismissing health issues from smoking. The wind industry, however, is not composed of clinicians, nor is it made up of people suffering from wind turbines." The IoS has a copy of the confidential manuscript which is exhaustive in its research protocol and detailed case series, drawing on the work of leading otolaryngologists and neurotologists – ear, nose and throat clinical specialists.

Some of the earliest research into the impact of low-frequency noise and vibrations was undertaken by Portuguese doctors studying the effects on military and civil personnel flying at high altitudes and at supersonic speed. They found that this exposure may also cause the rare illness, vibroacoustic disorder or VAD, which causes changes to the structure of certain organs such as the heart and lungs and may well be caused by vibrations from turbines. Another powerful side effect of turbines is the impact which the light thrown off the blades – known as flicker – has on people who suffer from migraines and epilepsy.

Campaigners have consistently argued that much research hitherto has been based on written complaints to environmental health officers and manufacturers, not on science-based research. But in Denmark, Germany and France, governments are moving towards building new wind farms off-shore because of concern over the potential health and environmental risks. In the UK there are no such controls, and a growing number of lobbyists, noise experts and government officials are also beginning to query the statutory noise levels being given to councils when deciding on planning applications from wind farm manufacturers. Lobbyists claim a new method of measuring is needed.

Dr Pierpont, who has funded all the research herself and is independent of any organisation, recommends at least a 2km set-back distance between potential wind turbines and people's homes, said: "It is irresponsible of the wind turbine companies – and governments – to continue building wind turbines so close to where people live until there has been a proper epidemiological investigation of the full impact on human health.

"What I have shown in my research is that many people – not all – who have been living close to a wind turbine running near their homes display a range of health illnesses and that when they move away, many of these problems also go away."

A breakthrough into understanding more of the impact of vibrations came last year, she said, when scientists at Manchester University and Prince of Wales Clinical School and Medical Research Institute in Sydney showed that the normal human vestibular system has a fish or frog-like sensitivity to low-frequency vibration. This was a turning point in understanding the nature of the problem, Dr Pierpont added, because it overturns the orthodoxy of the current way of measuring noise. "It is clear from the new evidence that the methods being used by acousticians goes back to research first carried out in the 1930s and is now outdated."

Dr Pierpont added that the wind turbine companies constantly argue that the health problems are "imaginary, psychosomatic or malingering". But she said their claims are "rubbish" and that medical evidence supports that the reported symptoms are real.

Case study: 'My husband had pneumonia, my father-in-law had a heart attack. Nobody was ill before'
Jane Davis, 53, a retired NHS manager, and her husband, Julian, 44, a farmer, lived in Spalding, Lincolnshire, until the noise of a wind farm 930m away forced them to leave
"People describe the noise as like an aeroplane that never arrives. My husband developed pneumonia very quickly after the turbines went up, having never had chest problems before. We suffer constant headaches and ear nuisance. My mother-in-law developed pneumonia and my husband developed atrial fibrillation – a rapid heartbeat. He had no pre-existing heart disease. Our blood pressure has gone up. My father-in-law has suffered a heart attack, tinnitus and marked hearing loss.

" I understand this can be regarded as a coincidence, but nobody was ill before 2006."

The defence: 'Wind turbines are quiet and safe'

The British Wind Energy Association, UK's biggest renewable energy trade association, said last night: "One of the first things first-time visitors to wind farms usually say is that they are surprised how quiet the turbines are.

"To put things in context: the London Borough of Westminster registered around 300,000 noise complaints from residents in 2008, none from wind turbines. The total number of noise complaints to local councils across the country runs into millions.

"In contrast, an independent study on wind farms and noise in 2007 found only four complaints from about 2,000 turbines in the country, three of which were resolved by the time the report was published.

"Wind turbines are quiet, safe and sustainable. It is not surprising that, according to a DTI report, 94 per cent of people who live near wind turbines are in favour of them. There is no scientific research to suggest that wind turbines are in any way harmful, and even many of the detractors of wind energy are honest enough to admit this.

"Noise from wind farms is a non-problem, and we need to move away from this unproductive and unscientific debate, and focus on our targets on reducing carbon emissions."

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PA Department of Environmental Protection
North Central Office
Attn. David W. Garg, PE
Environmental Program Manager
208 W. Third St.  Suite 101
Williamsport, PA 17701

RE: NPDES permit #PAI041409007 - Sandy Ridge Wind LLC

Mr. Garg,

The Little Juniata River Association (LJRA) would like to announce their strong opposition to the recent submission for NPDES permit #PAI041409007 (Sandy Ridge Wind Farm). Upon review of the Erosion Control and Stormwater narratives at the Blair County Conservation District, it quickly became obvious that the engineer/designer woefully underestimated the extent of the land disturbance and as such, the measures needed to "control" such exposure.

The LJRA is keenly aware of the many sensitive aquatic resources located within the project boundary (e.g., Big Fill Run and Vanscoyoc Run) and how these areas may be irreparably damaged if proper construction Best Management Practices (BMP's) are not required and properly instituted/maintained. The submitted plans lack thorough identification, explanation and preventative BMP's for several stream and wetland encroachments. This includes, but is certainly not limited to the enormous amount of excavation and removal that will be required to install the proposed access roads in the Big Fill watershed. The LJRA feels this access way is completely unjustified and an alternative, much less degrading route must be first identified to allow any further consideration of approval for this project.

The LJRA requests a public hearing be conducted to openly discuss these and other problematic issues regarding this project and how to possibly rectify them.

Sincerely,

Bill Anderson, President, Little Juniata River Association www.littlejuniata.org


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THANK YOU, BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PA Bulletin: [39 Pa.B. 3476]

http://www.pabulletin.com/secure/data/v ... 1229a.html

VI. NPDES Individual Permit Applications for Discharges of Stormwater Associated with Construction Activities

Northcentral Region: Watershed Management Program Manager, 208 West Third Street, Williamsport, PA 17701.

Centre County Conservation District: 414 Holmes Avenue, Suite 4, Bellefonte, PA 16823, (814) 355-6817.

NPDES
Permit No.
PAI041409007

Sandy Ridge Wind, LLC
1801 Market Street
Suite 2200
Philadelphia, PA 19107

Persons wishing to comment on an NPDES application are invited to submit a statement to the regional office noted before an application within 30 days from the date of this public notice. Persons wishing to comment on a WQM permit application are invited to submit a statement to the regional office noted before the application within 15 days from the date of this public notice. Comments received within the respective comment periods will be considered in the final determinations regarding the applications. Comments should include the name, address and telephone number of the writer and a concise statement to inform the Department of the exact basis of a comment and the relevant facts upon which it is based.

The Department will also accept requests for a public hearing on applications. A public hearing may be held if the responsible office considers the public response significant. If a hearing is scheduled, a notice of the hearing will be published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin and a newspaper of general circulation within the relevant geographical area. The Department will postpone its final determination until after a public hearing is held.

Send your request to

DEP Watershed Management Program Manager, 208 West Third Street, Williamsport, PA 17701.
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Great news! What can I do to help?

sandstone MVP Member

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sandstone MVP Member

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Several people have contacted me over past few hours questioning whether the Sandy Ridge Wind Farm is "a done deal." It is not.

Even though most of the Tyrone Borough Council chose to disregard Ice Mountain's certification as a Blair County Natural Heritage Area and even though 2/3 of the Snyder Township Supervisors did likewise, the developer (Gamesa - Sandy Ridge Wind LLC) must abide by state law. Thus, unless the developer is granted an NPDES permit by the DEP, the windplant cannot be built.

Several organizations are calling for a public hearing regarding this permit. You should, too. Follow the instructions given by me and the Ice Man regarding to whom the letter should be addressed. Just copy ideas from Bill Anderson's letter which is a few posts up from the last post.


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Thanks, sandstone, for the update. I wrote my letter to DEP last week requesting a public hearing regarding the Sandy Ridge Wind LLC (Gamesa) NPDES application. I was told that, due to the controversial nature of the Ice Mt project, and the large community opposition, that there WILL be a public hearing.

Wind energy wackos should read the letter below:

Use nuclear plants to produce clean electricity

by Forrest Remick

Wednesday August 05, 2009, 1:01 AM

A national association of state utility regulatory commissioners endorsed an idea on July 22 that has direct implications for Pennsylvania and our future.

Legislatures should include all forms of clean energy in state laws that mandate more clean energy production.

Specifically, the commissioners noted that one of the easiest, smartest and cheapest ways to address climate change is to produce more clean electricity from existing low or non-carbon generation, such as nuclear plants.

As a nuclear engineer and former commissioner of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, I can tell you that this proposal makes sense. A nuclear power plant can be updated with state-of-the-art equipment to make it run better and produce more carbon-free electricity.

It is possible with current technology to safely increase, or "uprate" the electricity production output of nuclear plants by up to 20 percent -- enough new, clean electricity to provide power to more than a million homes in Pennsylvania alone. And, unlike wind and solar, which take up land resources and depend upon favorable environmental conditions, nuclear power plants run 24/7.

Legislation before the General Assembly could bring these benefits to Pennsylvanians at no cost to the state.

The legislation, an amendment to the state's Alternative Energy Portfolio Standard Act, would include nuclear uprates and clean coal technology in the approved portfolio of clean energy sources.

If we are to win the fight for cleaner air, the Legislature must ensure that nuclear uprates and other clean technologies are included in our arsenal of weapons.

FORREST REMICK, State College
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kayaker-one New Member

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I spent part of the afternoon looking over Gamesa's application for the various permits required by DEP. The Blair Co. Conservation District has the maps and narratives for the application. I thought it was odd that their Erosion and Sedimentation application listed 28 turbines, while their NPDES application listed 38 turbines.

I decided to examine Gamesa's app on the FAA more closely, to see if I could find evidence of the 28 turbines vs. 38. Even more confusing was their application to the Federal Aviation Adm. where they listed the lat and long of only 25 turbines. I spent some time examining their app on the FAA website and discovered something quite enlightening.

:D SIX TURBINE LOCATIONS WERE DEEMED AS HAZARDOUS TO AIRCRAFT AT ANY HEIGHT!! The six turbines in the very southwest portion of the project, turbines SR-S1 - SR-S6 were all denied by the FAA as of July 30, 2009. I would think that Gamesa will have to make a major change in road construction and turbine locations, if they want to keep it as a 25-turbine project.

Doesn't it seem rather premature to request DEP approval for construction when Gamesa will have to reconfigure the layout of roads and turbine pads? It doesn't appear that the Blair Co. Conservation Office is aware of Gamesa's predicament, yet Gamesa expects them to approve the project as submitted. It looks like Gamesa is trying to pull a fast one!! Now, isn't that a surprise!!

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kayaker-one New Member

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I looked at the map posted by Ice Man and compared it to the FAA application. Turbines X1, X2, and X3 are not listed on the FAA application. It appears that Gamesa has applied for only 25 turbines to be approved through the FAA, not 28. Why the discrepancy?

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